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January 18, 2009

Windows 7 is enough to kill itself on the desktop

Filed under: Beta,BULLSHIT,CIO,software overview — Sagacious Himself @ 9:55 pm
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Ignore the misanthropic fanboi article but heed the DRM-, resource-, security-, and cost  comments

http://theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/392/1050392/windows-7-is-enough-to-kill-linux-on-the-desktop

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Although I have enjoyed the bashing of MS for the last 2 years due to Vista, it did actually have real problems. 1. The OS was built around DRM which puts the the user thirds to MS and the movie companies. 2. They wanted to improve the ‘running as admin’ problem, but they didn’t have the guts to actually make normal users in to non-admin users. Have either of these things changed? — Felix

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it still suffers from: * Very high RAM usage (about 2/3 that of Vista) * Heavy UI requirements (and no classic start bar now) * Heavy handed usage of DRM * Lack of device support (as bad as Vista) * Unknown cost (although Microsoft need to support their staff with this) * IE8 is an abysmal web browser The bottom line is that Windows 7 is based on the Vista core (with slightly more polish) but is still horrendously memory hungry, GPU intensive, (probably) expensive and the same quality control that we have come to expect from Microsoft 😉 Don’t forget also that Microsoft is planning to move over to a software-as-a-subscription model (so you will have to PAY every year to keep your PC working). No thanks! – John Cockroft

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You make the bold claim, “Windows 7 is enough to kill Linux on the desktop” without substantaiting it. No benchmarks, no stabiity tests, no feature comparisons. People have been cheated by M$ for decades. All anyone wants is a stable system that provides a GUI and high-level access to hardware for applications. Instead, we have gigabytes of garbage on our hard disks and in our RAM. Since M$ are know to have been selling a proven failure (Vista), would it not be reasonable to wait until Windows 7 ships then do a soak test then compare it with Linux and OSX? – Wendy

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you still can’t beat the price [of linux]. The only reasons Windows exists is because everyone is forced to buy it on pre-builts…it has been a peice of …. for years and anyone with technical knowledge knew that, but unlike other industries (due to monopoly) it rained supreme. Lastly I have no idea why it has advantages for open source?? I develop open source and 90+% of my tools are built in (and originate on) to linux. … MS will still hide all the functionality from users since they consider the average joe … dumb … which is especially horrible for power users…. The security flaws in the system have never been truly addressed since it is a basic flaw in Windows oversized kernel which places too many things inside the root-area. That can only be fixed with a major rewrite…but why would MS do that when all people care about is the look-n-feel (plus that is comes on the computer when they buy it…no choice).  — boom

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any good intentioned soul sitting down to read this article might actually believe that it is written by the Linux fan who is re-evaluating his decision to run Linux instead of a MS product. Why? Because Windows 7 BETA is just that good right? No. Because like so many MS Fanboys, he is a farce, long on words, but short on evidence. As has been stated before, there is no evidence in this article to support the author’s claims. Anyone who would attempt a test between a BETA product and an established product expecting the results to be certifiable is obviously living in LaLa land anyways – I know more

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Windows is a convenient OS for training monkeys to eventually type Shakespeare. I won’t be switching back to Windows until they develop an OS that: Respects that I am smart enough to want to do what I say I want, not just the most popular options. Doesn’t give every third-party script the right to run as admin (security shouldn’t depend on only the AV and firewall, kids.) Doesn’t spy on me, doesn’t get all Big Brother on me (yes, I made that DVD myself I don’t need DRM blocking me), and doesn’t try to do ANYTHING behind my back, even if I haven’t chosen to upgrade something. Adheres to standards, rather than developing a new and special (ed) version of them. Once the Vole decided he had invented the English language and could sell it, what chance was there for true compatibility in anything? – DanF

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What the final verdict is, am I willing to spend another few hundred bucks everytime Microsoft releases their latest and greatest. That answer is absolutely not. What if i wanna buy a new CPU, and use the same version of Windows that I have, not allowed to ?!?! Surely, I purchased this product, just months ago, and now I am not legally allowed to run it on my machine because of a CPU failure, which resulted in the purchase of a new chip. I will though be able to continue to use my existing version of whichever flavor of Linux I choose to, and for free, no matter what kind of hardware changes I make, or how many installs I do… – [yay todd]

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Windows 7 is nothing but Vista with a new taskbar (oOOooh!) and with the constant nagging/permissions fixed ! Ever since the announcement of the beta release, I’ve been trying to find more documentation on the new features…. and guess what, this is what I found ! No new micro-kernel, no new filesystem, no fancy backup system… NOTHING ! Oh wait… I forgot the part where the windows become transparent except for the ouline. My bad. Pretty impressive indeed – G

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Windows 7, like all Windows products, will be very expensive. Normal security won’t work on it (McAfee products don’t work on it currently). You will have to buy updates for every bit of software and hardware so that they can be compatible with Windows 7. Then, as with Vista, you will have to slowly discover which components Microsoft has decided to take out, limit, or restrict from your one of 18 different versions of Windows 7 — Home Ghetto Version, Home Middle Class version, Home Lake Washington Version Small Business Entrepeneur Version, Small Business Wannabe Version, Small Business Crippled Server Version, and Small Business with Microsoft Bank Account version Media Center Compuserve version, Media Center AOL version, Media Center AOL-with-limited-crapware version, Media Center with the usual Linux open source freeware included (top of the line) Then there will be the Windows 7 Ultimate version, called “Windows 7 cloud 9 version” — allows you to virtualize Linux (and Apple, too!) so you can run all those free open source Linux programs and forget that you’re running Windows! All you need is a 4 Terabyte RAM machine, with 160 Pentabyte hardrive for the Windows OS (with 10 Gb reserved for Linux). The Windows 7 logo is a really, really fat woman singing. – moose

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If this is a honeypot for flames…..then congrats – it wins. I too downloaded Windows 7 and stuck it on a dual core box, 3GB RAM and a fast SATA drive graphics card etc. It is an absolute dog. ….. Once again Microshaft have gone for the ‘fluffy look’ way of thinking which hogs resources like you would not believe. For me to have it just sitting there doing (literally) nothing took 800Mb of RAM – nothing in the list of processes but just ‘I am using 800Mb of RAM so there’. As with Vista, all they have done is move stuff around so that you spend time looking for it and still then cannot find it. To suggest this is going to make people change their OS of choice is utter garbage. I will not be moving away from Ubuntu and Mac OS – I kind of like it where if an app hangs it doesn’t take the whole box with it, call me old fashioned if you will…. – SI

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M$hite will never beat Linux, any flavour, because Linux is more then an OS, it’s a philosophy, a form of digital freedom where we are allowed to DO WHAT WE WANT with no sneaky M$hite being conducted behind our backs. I saw the keynote speach on 7 and the only thing they could highlight was the new task bar, which is Apples, and the ability to create a media network, which has been possible for YEARS. Anyway, to summarise Win7 – a gold plated turd is still a turd. – MRU

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Are you retarded? Yeah, our company with over 3000 pc’s is going to upgrade from XP to Win 7 by replacing every PC since they only have 512 Meg of RAM. We are going to go through “Driver Hell” with all our legacy printers. For what? Everything we have works fine. What is the draw to Win 7? Nothing. Since our apps work, why should we care about replacing an OS that is solid for our desktop needs. Anything that is important to us is on UNIX.- kronosmen

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Got DRM?  No sale! MAC is abandoning DRM even in iTunes. Will microsoft abandon draconian abuse of users at the home desktop? No? Then no sale. Will microsoft develop a 64bit OS and abandon the x86 legacy? no? then no sale. Media piracy is already illegal. Making it illegal will not stop those who opt to be soft pirates. More causal users are being more media savvy. Windows 7: defective by design. Microsoft draconia will sink microsoft sales

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What was NSA’s involvement in producing Windows Vista security – NSA.gov

CERT.org will likely also disavow windows 7 use

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